Strange, but true, he didn't give away a single penalty on Friday.

Which game was Judder Man watching?

Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats'" I'd like to see what they class as clean break as I can't remember to many this year. Wigan have looked poor this year too.

Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"So far this year we have made 27 clean breaks, putting us currently joint 5th. Interestingly Wigan despite winning a game more are all the way down in 10th. Inspite of all the issues raised by Saints fans, were also joint 2nd for total tries scored, with only Widnes scoring more (in an extra game). www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats'" I'd like to see what they class as clean break as I can't remember to many this year. Wigan have looked poor this year too.

Vea and Swift are our main contributors to clean breaks, they are the ones doing the tackle busts alongside LMS and Walmsley, anybody else noticed we are using Walmsley a bit different this year we are using him as a decoy more and he has reduced his offloads.

I think the fact he takes on the line unlike Walsh means he draws players to him. Whether or not he breaks through

I was assuming that Fages would be used to take up that role.

Stats wise Turner has gone from being one of our best tackle busters and clean breakers to currently being one of the worse. His miss tackle ratio has't changed, the only difference I have noticed is that he is an "extra boot" and an extra "arm wrestler".

As we know Turner is one of our "projects", personally I thought it would be far easier to develop his defensive skills at centre position than to develop his creative, handling, defensive, kicking skills at stand off.

There's not really anything wrong with tackling, though. It's his decision making in defence that's bad - he ball-watches all the time. At least when he's defending one further out he has fewer decisions to make. No coach has been able to sort out his defence yet, so I don't see it happening now.

As mentioned above, he's not going to set the world on fire at 6, but he will make more room for others. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've started scoring tries out side with him at 6.